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Rumors of a Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young
reunion have
proven to be just that in the past, but this summer the fab four of the
West Coast got together to record a fine new album, Looking
Forward, and despite Graham Nash's two broken legs, the band
is touring the U.S. this winter. The reunion inspired David Crosby to
write some great new material for the group, but he's also found
fertile ground writing with his relatively new band CPR, which consists
of Crosby, phenomenal guitarist Jeff Pevar, and Crosby's elder son
James Raymond, a talented pianist and songwriter. Crosby and Raymond
only recently discovered that they were father and son.
Crosby got his professional start in 1964 as one
of the
founding members of the Byrds, hailed at the time as America's answer
to the Beatles. He made his mark with the all-time classic "Eight Miles
High" (cowritten with Gene Clark and Roger McGuinn). In 1969 he hooked
up with Englishman Graham Nash (who had just left the Hollies) and lead
guitarist Stephen Stills, formerly of Buffalo Springfield, to form
Crosby, Stills, and Nash (CSN), a band that debuted at Woodstock and
helped redefine the sound of American pop. The band would record six
albums, including the hugely successful Crosby, Stills, and
Nash and CSN, as well as seven albums
with Neil Young (CSN&Y). Crosby contributed the smooth middle
voice in CSN's spectacular vocal harmonies, as well as great rhythm
guitar work on both acoustic and electric that broke significant new
ground in alternate tunings. His writing credits from this fertile
period include "Déjà Vu," "Guinnevere," and the protest rocker "Almost
Cut My Hair."
CSN and CSN&Y have reunited periodically
over
the years, and Crosby has also recorded a handful of solo albums. He
spent a good part of the '80s dealing with and then beating various
drug addictions. In 1995, when James Raymond learned the identity of
his biological father, Crosby was in the hospital recovering from a
liver transplant resulting from decades of substance abuse that almost
cost him his life. Coincidentally, Crosby's wife and Raymond's wife
were both pregnant at the time; Crosby is now the proud father of
Django and grandfather of Gracie.
Crosby made a full recovery, and his clean and
sober
lifestyle has only contributed to his musical creativity. He continues
to find gorgeous, complex chords via alternate tunings and to write
lyrics and melodies that speak directly to the soul. Last June, I
visited Crosby at his sumptuous Santa Barbara–area ranch. After showing
me his favorite new guitar, a concert model six-string built by
independent California luthier Roy McAlister, and playing me "Climber,"
a brilliant new song that didn't make it onto Looking Forward,
we sat down to talk music.
For the new project with Stills, Nash,
and
Young, did you all write together, or did each of you bring in songs?
CROSBY
I think most of us had songs and brought them to the party.
What are some of your favorites on the CD?
CROSBY
Neil came with some beautiful acoustic songs. There's a song called
"Looking Forward" that's a stunner. It's a pretty good record. There
are some amazing songs on it. There's a song I wrote called "Stand and
Be Counted" that people liked a lot.
You wrote it on acoustic guitar?
CROSBY
I write almost exclusively on acoustic. I never write on electric. I
sometimes write on piano.
Do you know the story about my son? He had been a
musician for 20 years before he found out that I was his father, and
he's a better musician than I am. I can still sing a little bit better
than him, but only a little. And he will in due course blow my doors
off there too. He's such an astounding musician. A lot of the words I
write now I go straight to him with.
So the words usually come to you first?
CROSBY
It happens every which way, but yeah, very often. I had the set of
changes for "Rusty and Blue" [CPR] for a couple of
years before it [came together]. I'm not sure who writes the stuff.
It feels more like channeling?
CROSBY
Well, your head's got a lot of levels, right? The verbal
crystallization level that I'm talking to you with right now isn't
necessarily the one that does the writing. There's maybe a level that
makes longer leaps, and that one gets a shot at inputting very often
with me just as I'm going to sleep. The busy mind kind of cacks out,
and this level, where I think a lot of the writing goes on, gets a shot
at the controls.
And you wake up and write it all down?
CROSBY
Yeah. One of the big effects on my writing was [Joni] Mitchell telling
me to write stuff down. She said, "David, you throw away more good
phrases in an afternoon than most people can come up with in a week.
What's wrong with you, you brainless twit? Write your shit down!" And I
learned from her that if you get even two words in a row that mean
something, that make you feel something, you should write them down.
So I do.
I can think of one song that was two completely
different sets of words written years apart that I showed to a friend
of mine who I wrote many songs with—Craig Doerge—and he said, "These
sort of relate. Did you notice that?" No. Are you out of your tree? He
said, "Yeah they do," and we wound up with "Night Time for the
Generals" [on the live King Biscuit Flower Hour, King
Biscuit].
So, you were saying that you go to your
son
with a lot of ideas, and then he takes it a step further . . .
CROSBY
He takes it to a different place than I would, and that's always good.
It broadens your palette. It's like having new colors to paint with. It
broadens the experience.
Can you tell automatically which tunes
are for
you, which are for CPR, and which are for CSN&Y?
CROSBY
No, I can't. What I do is play them for everybody and see who's
interested. Different groups have different tendencies. If I write a
long, very complex song that goes to a lot of different places and has
very strange chords, then I might lean toward CPR. Although that's not
always true, because "Déjà Vu" was a long, complex CSN song. CSN liked
the song "Morrison" [recorded on CPR], so we did
our own version of it and played it live for a year.
Do you find that collaborating is
different
with everybody you work with?
CROSBY
Yeah, and I really like doing it. I like it because when you write or
play or sing with other people there's a natural exchange that goes on.
You learn stuff from them, and they learn stuff from you. You are
enriched by it and broadened by it, and so are they. I've written with
a lot of people, very diverse people: Michael Hedges, Phil Collins,
Joni Mitchell . . .
What are some of the methods that have
worked
for you?
CROSBY
There's no set way. Sometimes you have a set of words and you say,
"Here," and wait to see what happens. And it's like sticking a bomb in
someone's pocket if you wrote really good words.
Has it ever happened that what they come
back
to you with is so different from what you imagined that it doesn't
really work, and you say, "Hmm, maybe not"?
CROSBY
No, I've been lucky. Joni took a set of words I gave her and just ran
for the horizon.
Is that "Yvette in English"?
CROSBY
Yeah.
That's a great song.
CROSBY
I love it dearly. But she truly, truly ran with it. I only gave her the
bare bones of what that song is. I still have what I wrote, and you can
see that she started where I started, but she's a way better writer
than I am, and she went for it. She took it a long way. That song is at
least three-quarters hers. She wrote all the music. She wrote at least
as many of the words as I did. And she took it to a level that I could
never have gotten it to. I think she is the most brilliant
singer-songwriter of all. I mean, I love Dylan. He's a good poet. But
musically, she's light years ahead of him, and that's what kicks it
over the top for me.
Has it ever happened the other way, where
someone else starts it and passes it to you?
CROSBY
That's mostly happened with James, my son. There's a wonderful, very
strange song that he and I wrote called "Yesterday's Child." It sounds
almost as if it was written by Ray Bradbury, like a dreamscape.
How does the guitar affect your writing
process? If you're working in open tunings, are you hearing chords that
you can't play in standard?
CROSBY
That's the reason for going into open tunings in the first place. I
would listen to [John] Coltrane, and here's this guy who wouldn't stick
to a normal mode, so [pianist] McCoy Tyner would have to invent very
dense, broad kinds of tone clusters, and they would be beautiful. And I
would want to play that, and I couldn't. I'm not a great player. I'm
not gifted. But in a nonstandard tuning I can.
So it starts with hearing a chord. Do you
then
go to the piano to work out the notes in the chord?
CROSBY
No, I'm not schooled. I can't do that. I can't tell you the names of
any of the chords I play.
So how do you figure out how to tune the
strings?
CROSBY
That happens sometimes by experimenting. I found the tuning for "Rusty
in Blue" and "Tracks in the Dust" and a couple of other songs in C G D
D A D by experimenting, by goofing around. Other times it's a friend.
The tuning for "Climber," D A D G C D, came when a guy who plays guitar
here in the valley, Mark Owen, was playing something. And I immediately
found a bunch of stuff he hadn't found. The next time I showed him one
of mine, he found five things in it that I never found, and I'd been
playing in it for years.
He found chords?
CROSBY
Yes. And that's the process. None of us owns any of it, right? I mean
every series of notes, the most complex ideas that the most complex
musicians in the world have played, some guy sitting around with a
flute in the Nile delta played two million years before him [laughter].
It's called the folk process. You just naturally pass music along.
With a guitar, you take a regular tuning [strums
a standard-tuned guitar] and the first thing you do is tune
that low E down to a D because then it makes your D chord [strums]
sound like that. And you go, "Ooh! That's cool! I really like that!"
And you're hooked. From that day on, you're a lost soul.
Getting back to Joni Mitchell for a
second,
were you both coming up with alternate tunings at the same time?
CROSBY
I was working in tunings when I met her, and she was working in
tunings, so we influenced each other. She was writing songs like
"Michael from Mountains," and I was writing "Guinnevere," and we
couldn't help but listen to each other. I think she's probably more
advanced at it than anybody except Michael Hedges. Michael Hedges was
pretty much unquestionably the finest acoustic guitar player of this
century. He took tunings to a level that nobody except Joni has ever
gotten close to.
How does it work when you play with other
guitar players? Does everyone need to get in the same tuning?
CROSBY
No. When I'm working with Stephen [Stills] or Neil [Young] or with Jeff
Pevar, who are the three lead players I play with the most, sometimes
they'll go into a tuning too. Mostly they'll work it out in a regular
tuning. Jeff more than Neil or Stephen will experiment with another
tuning to play lead in because he has the ability to play with any
combination of strings—it doesn't matter.
He can just figure it out on the fly?
CROSBY
Yeah. Not to say that Neil and Stephen can't. They're brilliant
players, both of them. When we started CSN, Stephen was probably one of
the greatest acoustic guitar players in the world. He could pick an
acoustic guitar in ways that other people simply couldn't. Witness
"Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" and "Helplessly Hoping," etc., etc. Nowadays
Stephen likes to play electric better than he likes to play acoustic,
but he's still a killer acoustic guitar player.
And Neil loves to play acoustic. He's an
incredible
acoustic guitarist. And he writes on acoustic guitar and piano. Have
you seen his solo show? Oh man! I wish you could have seen one of these
solo shows that he just did. I went, and Dylan was there too. The two
of us wound up standing right off stage about 20 feet from Neil behind
the curtain the whole night. Hour after hour, just standing there
transfixed. Just hung up. The cat's deep. He's just deep. He's a
brilliant storyteller and musician. He's a fascinating artist, a very
unusual guy.
And yet, you and Young and Stills and
Nash all
manage to make it work together.
CROSBY
It's really weird, yes. Well, we don't manage all the time, but when we
do do it, it's an amazing mixture.
You made a couple of reunion attempts
that
didn't pan out.
CROSBY
There was an album called Human Highway that would
have been a very good album, but it didn't happen.
What allowed you guys to successfully
work
together in the studio this time? Has anything changed?
CROSBY
I don't know. Maybe we grew up more. But we're a bunch of wildmen, all
of us. We're not like geese; we don't naturally fly in formation. We're
like hawks; we seldom fly in formation. But when we do, we're very good
at it.
Are you playing mostly acoustic on the
new
record?
CROSBY
On most of the songs, that's what I'll play, unless we're playing
strong rock 'n' roll, and then I have an Anderson strat. Tom Anderson
is a builder in the valley who is making some of the highest quality
electric guitars in the world right now. And then I have my McAlister
guitar I played for you earlier.
Is that the guitar that inspired you to
switch
from pick-and-fingers to plain fingerpicking?
CROSBY
I'm not switching. I finally started exploring
playing with just my bare fingers rather than with a pick. It brings
you to do stuff that you don't normally do. Instead of going [strums]
it makes you go [fingerpicks individual notes], so
you can be more selective.
But when you're playing with others, I'd
imagine that for volume's sake, you'd use the pick.
CROSBY
Each song is different. When CSN&Y goes out, I will
unquestionably play that song ["Climber"] on that guitar [the
McAlister], and believe me it will be loud.
Did you use the McAlister in the studio?
CROSBY
Uh-huh. I used this and a [Neumann] U 47 and a [Neumann] U 67. I got a
truly gigantic guitar sound. This thing records unbelievably well.
Do you record the music first and then
add
vocals?
CROSBY
We do it every which way. The master for "Climber" was this guitar and
a percussionist named Luis Conté. It was brilliant. And that's all
there was on the master, and we added stuff after that.
Do you all play together in the studio?
CROSBY
Oh yeah. Probably half of the things on the CPR
record are cases where we played the entire song, everybody played and
I sang or James sang live while we were cutting the track. Like "Rusty
and Blue." That's a live track, and it's the first- or second-take live
vocal. The only overdubs are the harmonies. Same for the Fisher
King song, "Somehow She Knew." That one is the first take.
The vocals on CPR are
very
reminiscent of CSN. Is that because you're coming up with the harmonies
for both groups?
CROSBY
Yeah, sure, there's a connector there in me. But James came up with a
ton of what we sang on CPR, and he tends to be
weirder than CSN.
Has finding James inspired you to write
music?
CROSBY
Yeah. There are a number of songs on the CPR album
that are affected by that and by almost dying.
Is there more freedom for you as a guitar
player when you play solo?
CROSBY
Probably. But I'm in a very fortunate space. I can work by myself, I
can work with CPR, I can work with just me and Nash, which is a whole
other chemistry. I can work with me and Nash and Jeff Pevar, which is
yet another different chemistry. I can work with Crosby, Stills, and
Nash, which is its own separate strangeness, or Crosby, Stills, Nash,
and Young, which is a bigger and even crazier strangeness. And I can go
out and sing with my friends, which I do all the time. If you try to do
the same thing all the time, you get stuck. That's one of the things I
admire about Neil: he doesn't do the same thing.
Do you pare your guitar parts down more
and
more for each added guitar player in the room?
CROSBY
Usually. If I'm playing with CSN&Y, you're talking about two
brilliant lead players. Very often Graham and I will either just play
rhythm on acoustic or not play at all. It needs what it needs. It
doesn't need more than that. If you've got guys that good, sometimes
you really don't want to clutter it up.
I've heard you say that singing harmony
came
naturally to you. Did guitar playing come naturally?
CROSBY
Yes. My brother gave me my first guitar, and I think I learned E minor
to A major. And that was good for about six months.
How old were you?
CROSBY
I was probably around 12.
Do you remember what the guitar was?
CROSBY
I think it was a Silvertone. Some inexpensive guitar.
Did you ever take lessons?
CROSBY
I've never taken lessons of any kind, and I don't recommend it. I
particularly don't recommend vocal lessons. Guitar lessons, maybe just
so you can learn some technique and scales. But it sometimes can narrow
your possibilities. Hedges was a schooled musician, and then he threw
the rule book away. Boy, did he throw the rule book away! But a lot of
people will go and study, and then they get told, "Well you can't do that,"
when obviously you can do anything you can do. If
I'd
gone to a guitar teacher, he wouldn't have looked kindly on my coming
in the next day and going, "Well I changed all the tunings. What do you
think of this?"
How did CSN get into vintage instruments?
Did
that come from you?
CROSBY
I think we all quite naturally did that. [The vintage choice] was
natural to [Stills] and it was natural to me, and I'd been doing it in
the Byrds.
You were saying earlier that you now have
six
Martin D-45s: the one-of-a-kind 12-string, two '71s . . .
CROSBY
Three. We went out and bought a bunch of 'em: Neil, I, Steve, and
Graham. They're just now really right. They've been my main performance
guitars for a long time.
You're not afraid to take them out?
CROSBY
I like playing the best guitar I've got. Guitars inspire me; they
thrill me. And if you're playing music on an acoustic guitar and you
want to communicate something with people, it's good to be thrilled by
your ax. So I use the best ones I have. I use the D-45s. And the Gibson
custom shop built me a J-200 that I asked them to make. J-200s are
normally maple or Indian rosewood, and I asked them to make me a
Brazilian one, which they did out of stash that they had hidden. It's
ridiculously beautiful. It's a real stunner. Jackson Browne wants it,
and I won't give it to him. I've also got one prewar Martin: a 00-45.
What else are you working on these days?
I
heard you were producing a documentary, Stand and Be
Counted.
CROSBY
Yeah, I'm producing it and doing all the interviews, and I'm helping to
write the book. It's about musician activism. There are a couple of
people in there who are not primarily musicians—Robin [Williams] and
Whoopie [Goldberg]—because they're my friends and they're very
definitely activists. Harry Belafonte is at least as good a musician as
he is an actor.
How many artists are you interviewing?
CROSBY
I think we've done about 40. We just added Eddie Vedder and Tracy
Chapman. It's a very wide-ranging thing, going all the way from Pete
Seeger to now.
Is that something that will show in
theaters
eventually?
CROSBY
I don't know how theatrical it is. I think it'll go on TV, probably in
a couple of different formats.
Are you working on another solo record as
well?
CROSBY
On another CPR record. Why would I go in by myself when I can go in
with these other guys that are that good? It's more fun. In the first
place, nobody ever has made a solo record. There is no such thing.
Somebody pushed "record." Somebody got the sandwiches. Somebody drove
the truck. My first solo—quote, unquote—record, If I Could
Only Remember My Name (which is one of the best records I've
ever made in my life) has got every friend I have on it! It's a record
by about 40 people! It was a delight—a complete, unrestrained, wacky,
goofed, stoned delight.
I might perform solo just for
the
fun of telling the tale. I'm big into just telling the tale. I love
that. Our job is to make people feel something, and all the different
ways that we can do that are fun. It's fun to get up there with all
four of us and crank everything up until you can hear it hiss, and then
have one guy look at the other guy and go [plays air guitar
and imitates the sound of an electric guitar playing the opening riff
of "Ohio"]. Believe me, it's fun. Or [imitates the
rocking opening of "Carry On"]. But it's also big fun to tell
a tale in a way that makes somebody cry because it's something that
they've always wanted to get out of their heart and they've never been
able to express it, and you crystallized it for them. And they go, "Oh,
there it is." And it gets them. That's a great feeling. It's a great
gig.
It's a great gift.
CROSBY
It's a nice gift too, but it's a great gig!
Excerpted from Acoustic
Guitar magazine, March 2000, No. 87. That issue
also contains a transcription of "That House" by David Crosby and CPR.
Read about David Crosby's guitars and gear in the What
They Play department.
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